Back

Fed #14

Let’s clear up some confusion

            Democracy – people meet and exercise gov in person

                        Can be done in a small area

            Republic – Representatives meet and exercise gov

                        Can be done over a wide area

 

Republics are what we are talking about with this government

            It’s what Europe has done as well

 

            We can do a Republic fine because

Europe is not too large for Republics to function

The federal government is not the only law making body

Communications and roads will improve

States on the borders (farthest from the center) need a strong federal gov

 

Our opponents say that:

            Americans are too disunited to be under one gov.

Reply #1

            That this type of gov has not been done before and so is impossible

Reply #2


                                                                            Fed#15

I know this may be boring but

Option #3

Why we need a new government:

We are near impending anarchy, nationally humiliated

“We have neither troops, nor treasury, nor government”

Commerce is falling apart

Our ambassadors are jokes

The value of land is falling indicating a lack of faith in government

 

Our opponents want to do the impossible: expand federal power while maintaining state power

            States and individuals can now ignore federal directives

We are in danger of becoming like the bickering nations of Europe making deals with each other and breaking them just as quickly

            The federal government must have authority over individuals

Laws need to be enforced either by the courts

            Otherwise they need to be enforced by arms

 

Our opponents have said that a sense of common interest will keep such breaches from occurring

                        But the passions of men will not conform to reason and justice

                        Factions will help corrupt those passions in deliberative bodies

                        Plus people want power and won’t voluntarily yield it

                        Local gov may be ignorant of larger gov. goals and aspirations

                       

If this continues the states will eventually leave the union “till the frail and tottering edifice seems ready to fall upon our heads and to crush us beneath its ruins.”

 

 

Federalists (good government and good citizens)

            The government should be complicated as a means of pitting factions                       and interests against each other (state v federal, branches against                       each other, house v senate)

            The government should be complicated and works fine when people                        pursue their own self interests

            We are citizens of both the national and state governments

            A good citizen is self interested but will concern himself with the public                    good out of self interest (to either get his way with the polity or                       because his interests just happen to coincide) This works so long                 as these ambitions are within the correct structure

            The interests of rich and poor will clash within the system and that will                        help give it vitality

            Government should be dynamic   

 

Federalists (energy in government)

            Energy in government is liberty and will allow for grand things

 

Federalists (on bill of rights)

            The government has not been given the power to violate your rights so                     there in no reason for a bill of rights

            Words cannot communicate the meaning of our natural rights

            Often rights are so vague that they can be interpreted away ("what does               freedom of speech really mean?")

            A bill of rights actually enhances the power of government ("The gov.                   can't do A, B, or C so that means they can do D, E, and F")

            The people can take back their authority at any minute and so the                  mechanisms of popular representation themselves guarantee that                  rights will not be violated